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Not convinced Eagle River needs ‘security cameras’ PDF Print E-mail


Dear Editor:

This is an argument that has certainly existed here since the founding of the United States but has become more prominent since 9/11. Since that time, we have lived in a heightened sense of fear that permeates every sector of our society.

Our fearful population has become much more tolerant of government interference in our everyday lives. This interference comes in the compromise of promised security at the expense of civil liberties.

An example at the federal level might be the Patriot Act, which was pushed through both houses of Congress shortly after the 9/11 tragedy. This law not only allows our government much more ac cess to interpersonal private communications, but also gives it the authority to demand records such as library rental and

book purchase histories.


This law was the start of several pieces of legislation which have eroded civil rights to the point that an American citizen can be taken, held indefinitely without being charged, without access to legal counsel, for being considered a threat. This is the price we pay for promised security from terrorists striking us at home again.

This type of fear-filled existence leads people to think they need the government to protect them and provide for them, which in turn leads to dependence and loss of civic involvement in the decisions that affect us all. Many of us have become lazy and uninvolved and are content to let others make the decisions for us. Government steps in and makes those decisions, becoming more authoritarian the whole time, and more involved in the many facets of our lives.

My example of local interest is the proposed installation of several “security cameras” around the city of Eagle River. I do applaud the public openness provided by the city council, with access to public debate on the topic over the course of several months. I wish I would have become involved earlier. I must say that I am disappointed with the decision.

The “security camera” is very misleading in context, and a more appropriate term would be surveillance camera. Security cameras do have a very real function in our society, and in a private setting, such as within your home or business, they can add real security without infringing on the rights of those around you.

Things are very different when you turn the cameras on our public spaces and it lets us slide further down the slippery slope of lost liberties. It is scary in an Orwellian way and makes me not want to go to downtown Eagle River.

I feel sorry for the business owners who will have this extra layer of “security" to help them keep track of their businesses, the comings and goings of their patrons, and all the other things that we need help watching. The eye in the sky has never been more real.

The grass roots answer to real security downtown would be a vigilant neighborhood watch group made up of local, involved, civic-minded individuals. I would rather look out for my neighbor and have him do the same for me than to leave it to the police and government to look out for either of us.


Aaron Lifschutz

Eagle River


Tuesday, February 05, 2013 5:30 PM


-19 #53 Frank Gabl 2013-02-23 14:14
So Predictable:
-23 #52 Frank Gabl 2013-02-21 13:00
Thank You, Tim.

And just so you know, in a couple of days, after all of your new “BFF’s” stab you in the back for your latest comments, I’ll still be there.

Come to think of it, shouldn’t there be an “assault weapons” ban on long knives?

Brother Frank
-23 #51 2013-02-20 20:19

That is a very good perspective on the matter.
-23 #50 Frank Gabl 2013-02-20 16:05
That is correct, Denny, "baited."

The name Pat would be a name one would puase to consider gender, never, Denny.

This happens to you on a continuous basis so chastising me for simply being respectful to you is one of the cheapest shots in the play book.

And going out of your way to make the specific point at the end of that post, proves my point.
-24 #49 Frank Gabl 2013-02-20 05:17


I respect your opinion and advice. And while I know you have the best of intentions, the whining from the hypocritically intolerant is much ado about nothing. After all, it’s no secret that the Left has a gang mentality.

This site has been relatively quiet ever since the election, so after post #1, I put forth some damning information pertaining to education which I dovetailed with the message in Aaron’s letter.

Bill Ayers and America’s children:

“We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America” – B.O.

Now, you know that you’re being effective when, confronted with truth and fact, people push back out of guilt, denial, or simply to shut the other up.

Cont. below:
-24 #48 Frank Gabl 2013-02-20 05:05

Conservatives tend to reach out to one another like you just did, because we’re wired differently than our opponents. Late last winter, the Bobsy Twins infiltrated this site prior to the recall in order to intentionally divide, a la, Alinsky and his star acolyte Obama. They used slurs, race-baited and incessantly name-called for months. My point, is that, not once did their comrades from around here, do anything but support them.

There are various methods of persuasion. And, although, some methods make those on our side uncomfortable, the white hats need to take a page out of the “enemies” playbook under “solidarity.” In fact, victory cannot be achieved without it. And that is why they are holding the trophy.

I found this apropos commentary after writing this post:

Your teammate,

+25 #47 Denny Erardi 2013-02-19 21:48
Now, that's some funny stuff. By respectfully calling you Mr. Gabl, I "baited" you??? It's a "tactic"?? You're a funny guy, Frank...truly.
+26 #46 2013-02-19 14:44

While I agree with you about 95% of the time, I have to side with others on here.

I am an engineer. My profession and the way I was taught causes me to give as many facts as I can about a given topic, and offer resources to back up those claims. That is what engineers do. However, I am also the father of five children and husband to a great woman who is not an engineer.

I have learned that I cannot drone on about facts, beliefs, and etc. Otherwise I begin to lose their interest, get myself frustrated, get them frustrated, and inevitably lose the goal I had originally set.

As I have said in the beginning, I happen to agree with you on many points. But in terms of this topic, perhaps you should take a step back and gather your thoughts. I am not trying to be critical, but the message will become more clear.
-25 #45 Frank Gabl 2013-02-19 14:03
See Denny,

If you would have called me Frank from the get-go it wouldn't have "baited" me into calling you the "obvious" and respectful term in return. Nice "tactic".

Your acceptance of Barack Obama's shady character, as well as any person who knowingly accepts it, is a direct reflection on their own character.

And, using the "divisive" term of "extreme" on me, a person who speaks the truth and backs it up, makes you no less extreme in your own right.

Come back down to Earth.
-25 #44 Frank Gabl 2013-02-19 03:33

I started wondering if something had happened to you. I’m glad to see that evidently you’re fine except for the bogus claim about the websites that I routinely link as being “whatever internet content he can scrape up.”

So why not do us all a favor and prove your point with hard evidence rather than just throwing out lazy, unsubstantiated accusations. I’m waiting.

And about dominating the site? You can’t be serious. I can’t help it if, while no one was posting, I learned of a Texas lesson plan that had kids making socialist/communist flags along with Bill Ayers tied to Obama’s Common Core State Standards which backed up my suggestion that cameras in the classroom would be better served than on the streets of small towns.

You really should be productive by putting your wide-ranging knowledge into trying to debunk my information – if you can. I’m waiting.

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