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Letter to the Editor:

In the June 19 issue of the Vilas County News-Review, Mr. Stolar cites a well known quote from Edmund Burke regarding the importance of knowing history, but then he states, “The people who founded this country?. . .?came from countries with a socialist-totalitarian type of government.”

Actually, no. They, or their ancestors, mostly came from monarchies, England in particular. He also quotes Alexander Tytler, an obscure Scottish historian who felt that all democracies ultimately return to bondage. Professor Tytler also believed that all governments were essentially monarchies and that the moon was made of Swiss cheese (I made up the cheese part).

If Mr Stolar truly wants a historical perspective of  our government, he won’t find it in a right wing blog offering an 18th century version of Nostradamus; rather, he should be reading Montesquieu, Voltaire, Locke, Hume and other philosophers of the Enlightenment who so profoundly influenced the Founding Fathers.

He could also read Alexis de Tocqueville, who traveled throughout 1830s America and reported upon “The Great American Experiment” (of democracy) as it was evolving. Rather than conflate democracy with socialism, Touqueville observed that “they have nothing in common but one word:?equality. But notice the difference. While democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”

Of course, the right wing in America has no interest in accurately defining democracy or socialism. For them, the term “socialism” is a hot button item (like “abortion” or “second amendment rights”) which can be relied upon to evoke fear and fire-up passions in their base while diverting attention away from any reasoned discussion of the issues at hand.

Terrance Moe

Three Lakes

Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:56 PM


-21 #37 Frank Gabl 2013-08-21 16:33

Once again, like so many times recently, you are baselessly perpetrating a lie by not only once again defaming a 90 year-old hero of two wars but, putting me in there at the same time.

So put up the evidence or retract your baseless accusation that "Frank and Hylop believe that all teachers are "worthless liberal indoctrinators".

Of course I don't hold out any hope that you will walk your basless accusation back since you still stand firm behind your race-baiting, gay-baiting and the questioning of a 90 year-old hero of two wars who selflessly offered up his life so that you have the freedom to virtually slap him in the face for doing so, but I just wanted to put your defamation on the record.
+17 #36 2013-08-20 18:11
Frank, you are side stepping the question put forth to you. No, I'm not a teacher and neither are you. I do listen to what they say and do have an opinion however of what I think can be done, you apparently do not. You simply love to complain. You have no solutions, never have. Your talking points of "liberal indoctrination" are merely amusing and reek of either dishonesty or ignorance. Tim, there already was a teacher shortage across the country and in WI. hat shortage has been increased now and many high quality teachers are leaving, especially in math and science! Why would they put up with the continued villianization from those like Frank and Hyslop when they can make a lot more money in the private sector? Your comment of techers being on Walker's side is interesting considering Frank and Hyslop believe all teachers are "worthless liberal indoctrinators". How are we to attract quality when salaries went down between 10% and 20%? WI is bleeding teachers right now!
-9 #35 2013-08-19 13:26

Just as an interesting note, I have several close friends that are teachers. Imagine that, an "extremist" that has friends that are TEACHERS! AHHHHHH!!!

The retired teachers are appaled at what Walker did. But, they understand and concede that it was the teachers from larger cities (Milwaukee / Madison) that really caused the damage by precisely what Frank is talking about, AND what Mr. Hyslop has spoken of.

It is however interesting to note, that I know of a few other teachers who are relatively young and are HAPPY with what Walker did. They saw first hand the "bad teachers" as they had to work with them. The bad ones could not get canned because of the union. (They were also very happy that their take home pay WENT UP because they weren't paying union dues, and have not seen any damaging effects to their jobs since the union was outsted.)

While I can understand both ends of the spectrum, I am using TEACHERS as my source!
-25 #34 Frank Gabl 2013-08-15 15:42

You have admitted that your credentials for knowing how to solve the problems in education are what your "friends" tell you they are.

Therefore, any solution that you would propose is trivial compared to what I believe is the root problem with education; the leftist brainwashing and indoctrination that you support merely by being a leftist yourself.

And even though you may be tired of hearing it and will continue to not accept my solution, that's your problem not mine.
+19 #33 2013-08-15 13:45
Frank, You have friends inside the classrooms? When I said "inside the walls" what did you think I meant, kids? janitors?, lunch ladies? No, I meant TEACHERS! I've spoke with and am friends with dozens and know what's going on inside those buildings and what the administration is doing to the morale of the district. I find it interesting that you have proven to not know much about benchmarks, SOAR, and so on yet all of a sudden are friends with all these teachers who think like you. I sell NOTHING to the schools, nor to teachers. Now, since you "supposedly" know all these teachers what is your answer to fix what you consider to be wrong with the system? What are the SPECIFICS (not your typical general statement here) that should be done?
-26 #32 Frank Gabl 2013-08-13 02:28

So now you're admitting that all along you were lying when you said numerous times to several people that you're not a member of a union, but rather, in sales in the private sector.

You can't have it both ways. Therefore, my accusation stands.

And my informants are not "inside the walls" like yours apparently are. Mine are actually inside the classroom and a lot closer to me than just "friends" like yours are.

And here I thought you had actual experience and credentials in teaching. Such a disappointment - "friends" - geesh.
+18 #31 2013-08-07 01:24
Frank, you don't even make sense. I don't sell anything, I LISTEN to those inside the walls, you don't. It's that simple. You do NOTHING but complain with never any answers. ANYONE can do that and you excel at it.
-31 #30 Frank Gabl 2013-08-05 22:10
Then listen up John,

I'll speak in plain language. Based on what you've stated on this site I'm accusing you of being part of the education problem by being one who sells leftist indoctrination materials to school districts.

Thus, you wear a black hat.
+26 #29 2013-08-03 09:26
Frank, you said nothing....Let us know when and if you decide to step up and do more than complain about EVERYTHING.
-35 #28 Frank Gabl 2013-08-01 02:59
Wrong again, John.

Cancel the tickets of the commie indoctrinators as well as those in the private sector who sell indoctrination materials to school districts and education will turn around.

By the way, do you know anyone in the private sector who sells indoctrination materials to school districts, considering that you're in the private sector in sales?

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