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Hunting over bait is not real hunting PDF Print E-mail

Letter to the Editor:

In regard to baiting and feeding deer for hunting, I am totally against this. If you think about it, this is not real hunting.

Sometimes “hunters” put a couple hundred pounds of corn, carrots, etc., on the ground over a period of time during a couple of weeks before the season starts to attract deer. Then on opening day they climb into their tree stand and have a much better chance of getting a deer only because they are feeding them.

I used to be a deer hunter, but because of my health I can no longer participate in the sport. When I?did hunt, for about 20 years, it was not over a baited area. It was the real way, with just my gun, myself and lots of patience.

I am not blaming anyone for bait hunting. This is all just my belief and opinion. I?have often wondered how the rule for bait hunting came about.

Mike Miller

Land O’ Lakes

Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:46 AM
 

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+1 #69 Frank Gabl 2013-12-17 13:08
Tim,

Using Denny's own words, "To clarify...the manner in which many animals are killed to provide for our consumption bothers me. I've said that I use the products that result from that treatment," she unambiguously confirms that you indeed were correct in concluding,
"I find it hypocritical to run down my method of hunting, yet believe it is perfectly acceptable to raise an animal that will be bludgeoned to death for personal fashion or food."

This is the reason people go vegan.
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0 #68 Denny Erardi 2013-12-17 11:54
Tim,
I can't imagine anyone else is enjoying our banter back and forth, so I'll end with this. To the extent that you believe I am attacking you personally, I'm sorry you feel that way. I've done my best to explain how I feel about hunting, and I see nothing in my comments that comprises "attacking" you.

I enjoy sharing opinions about controversial topics and it happens that the majority of the time I disagree with you on the "social" issues. It's not personal in its origin no matter how much you want to take it that way. It's a difference of opinion.
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-1 #67 2013-12-16 16:06
Denny,

If my method does not bother you, as it is not wanton killing, then why all of the attacks against me?

Pretty simple!
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0 #66 Denny Erardi 2013-12-16 15:14
Tim,
I have no personal feelings about you one way or another. What I write here is in regard to whatever opinions you've shared or actions that you describe you've taken.

I don't remotely understand the origin of statements like "..you genuinely dislike me and all that I stand for (sic)". How could that possibly be? Within your own post, you contradict yourself ... sometimes I agree with you, but then again, I never do?

To reiterate, regarding hunting which is what I believe this topic originally addressed, wanton killing bothers me. To clarify about the tangential issue, the manner in which many animals are killed to provide for our consumption bothers me also. I've never said nor intimated to the contrary. I've said that I use the products that result from that treatment.

In point of fact, I do not agree with the manner in which many animals are treated.
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-2 #65 2013-12-16 10:07
Okay, then my method of hunting should not bother you. Since that is the case, you should not have or had any bad things to say about me regarding this topic.

And if that is a true statement, then why did you attack me over it?

My opinion (and this is just an opinion) is that you genuinely dislike me and all that I stand for. As such, you will try to attack me every chance you get, even if there is relative agreement. That is why I have thrown it out there before on other topics when I have basically said: "Wow Denny, we agree AGAIN!"

Because, I know that no matter what, you genuinely cannot stand me, and therefore, will never agree with me even if there is common ground.

ROYDKWIA


Frank,

Thanks for at least being one voice on here willing to back me up. Strange how you read the same things that I read, and interpreted them the same way.
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+2 #64 Frank Gabl 2013-12-16 08:57
Tim,

Since this is a reoccurring theme around here I decided to look into it. To me, it appears that we’re experiencing the effects of a particular defense tactic that Denny employs, either wittingly or unwittingly.

It seems that when her reasoning or motives are questioned, the knee jerk response often includes constructing a wall which shouts, HOW DARE YOU QUESTION ME and includes some variation of the oft-repeated line found in post 52:
“Again, quit assuming that you know who I am and what I do, and ascribing characteristics to me that I don't possess.”

This has the effect of quickly putting the onus back on the person doing the questioning and immediately shutting down the debate leaving questions unanswered.

Admittedly, this seems to be effective in the short term because we really don’t know much about someone who is new to this forum.

Cont. below:
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+3 #63 Frank Gabl 2013-12-16 08:54
Continued:

But since the written thoughts of an individual inevitably reveal a considerable amount of information about them, we actually know quite a bit about each other as time goes on; not to mention what is explicitly stated on the record.

So let’s see how this plays out.

In post 22, Tim stated: “I am guessing you must be a vegetarian then. Because if not, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.”

In post 23, Denny replied: “I said wanton killing is offensive to me. I eat meat, I wear leather clothing and shoes, and carry a leather briefcase. So, don't ascribe things to me that I didn't say or condemn.”

In post 48, Tim stated: “I find it hypocritical to run down my method of hunting, yet believe it is perfectly acceptable to raise an animal that will be bludgeoned to death for personal fashion or food.”

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+3 #62 Frank Gabl 2013-12-16 08:52
Continued:

In post 52, Denny replied: “I never said it was perfectly acceptable to bludgeon an animal to death. I've been to poultry farms, cattle ranches, and pig farms. I have seen what's done to animals to prep them for our consumption. So, don't paint me with the brush of hypocrisy when you know nothing about me… Again, quit assuming that you know who I am and what I do, and ascribing characteristics to me that I don't possess.” (To be clear, Tim did not say “perfectly acceptable to bludgeon,” but rather, “perfectly acceptable to raise”)

REGARDLESS, before Tim concluded in post 48 that Denny, “believe(s) it is perfectly acceptable to raise an animal that will be bludgeoned to death for personal fashion or food,” Denny had already told him in post 23, “I eat meat, I wear leather clothing and shoes, and carry a leather briefcase.”

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+3 #61 Frank Gabl 2013-12-16 08:50
Continued:

SO WHY would Denny retort in post 52 that, “I never said it was perfectly acceptable to bludgeon an animal to death. I've been to poultry farms, cattle ranches, and pig farms. I have seen what's done to animals to prep them for our consumption.”?

SO HOW does Denny justify denying that an animal must be bludgeoned to death for her “fashion or food” as Tim put it, yet, proclaim: “I have seen what's done to animals to prep them for our consumption.”

SO IN ORDER for any person to “eat meat, wear leather clothing and shoes, and carry a leather briefcase,” the following process that Denny said she is aware of must take place:

“What happens is that the animals (cattle) go in single file. At a certain point, they pass over a bar, their legs on both sides and the floor slowly drops away, and at that point they're being carried along on a conveyor belt.”

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+3 #60 Frank Gabl 2013-12-16 08:48
Continued:

“They then pass through a station where there's a man on the catwalk above. He's holding an object that looks like a power nailing gun. It's a pneumatic device called a stunner. This essentially injects a metal bolt. It's about the size and length of a thick pencil into its brain, right between the eyes, and that should render the animal brain dead.

Chains will be attached to his rear legs and he will be lifted up. The chains are attached to an overhead trolley, and then he’ll be bled. Another person in another station will stick a long knife in and cut his aorta and bleed the animal. And then he will be completely dead.”

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/meat/slaughter/slaughterhouse.html

Bludgeoned to death? Yes.

http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-clothing/animals-used-clothing-factsheets/leather-animals-abused-killed-skins/

Wanton killing for fashion? Yes.
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